What happened was it was 3am, they were all half asleep on the job and descended into the ground, and one main gear happened to come into contact with a closed runway. " This page was generated at 03:03. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westernes_Flight_2605, http://aviation-safety.net/database/?id=19791031-0, http://books.google.com/books?id=8BVpage&q&f=false, http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fod.main/130485/, http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/program.pl?ID=57025, http://web.archive.org/web/200910220/blackbox.html, http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/-tapes-cd.html, http://www.taxiways.de/DC-10/accident/N903WA.html, If this is your first visit, be sure to Western Airlines Flight 2605 received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which is now archived. I can't remember where I read the article, but it was very interesting. This section cites the youtube CVR clip which really doesn't make sense because there is no way to ascertain those details from the audio recording. The plane landed in the shoulder in the wrong runway, without tower clearance, after at what was at best a shoddy approach, collided with a big, heavy truck and we know the rest. per night. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. According to the research done by Dr. Zeller and McNorton, at the The DC-10 included no cable backup for the hydraulic-powered flight controls because it was considered nearly impossible for three hydraulic systems to fail during one flight. Audio recording of Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR. The report also mentions the altitude callouts required from Reichel might have been made, or partially made, but probably weren't anyway. I emailed the gracious Mr. Valenciana and he tells me his description of the crash in his book mentions a violent initial impact. Cookie Notice As a lay person with a recent fascination with this crash, I'm assuming this was the truck collision by the noises on the CVR. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. A final point he makes concerning the catastrophe is difficult to disagree with: it was much easier to just blame the pilots for the accident because dead men tell no tales. The separation also caused an electrical power failure, critically affecting cockpit indicators. Flight 2605 remains the deadliest air accident to have occurred in Mexico City. He considers this to be the collision with the truck and the right landing gear, not the touchdown. to heavy construction in progress, which may have induced the Captain to vary I ask this because there are more details that could be added to the article to give readers an even better understanding of this horrific accident. By clicking "I AGREE" below, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our personal data processing and cookie practices as described therein. A part of the CVR is widely available online. ", This page was last edited on 3 May 2022, at 01:09. Here are some ideas: - paragraph added at 20:21 + amended at 20:22, 19 December 2019 (unsigned contributions) by 173.120.214.74, Lay readers still have no idea what a "more than 2g force landing" means. More importantly pilot errors occured. Our large helicopter section. The final moments of the pilots will make your hair stand on end. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. - paragraph added (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.180.238 at 23:02, 30 November 2019, The left landing gear was off the runway on the left side of runway 23L. Pilot fatigue has also been mentioned. In the video you hear the last screams of the pilots. Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.61.11.102 (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply], - section created (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.148.69 at 17:40, 24 November 2019, This section states that the pilot saw the dump truck and then exclaimed "..Jesus Christ". The CVR is described as sustaining damage in this report, DOT/FAA/PM-86/46 "Aeronautical Decision Making -Cockpit Resource Management": "The voice recorder was recovered from the wreckage; however, the unit had been pierced. - paragraph added (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.214.74 at 20:21, 19 December 2019, Finally, I have read no analysis of the final statement that one of the 3 man crew says loudly under Gilbert's screams. - paragraph amended at 20:36, 1 January 2020 (unsigned contribution) by 73.61.9.109. and our that all is lost after the right tail plane and elevator were nearly severed along with the loss of the upper right hand section of wing flaps. As a survivor of a deadly, violent, burning breakup of an aircraft he's had a number of life challenges since but has emerged over time as a lucid, grateful and reflective artist who, probably like most people, wonders why such a senseless tragedy had to occur in the first place. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . While searching for the Western Airlines 2605, Mexico City, 1979 accident I discovered that there is nothing at all on the web. The right wing obviously was damaged. If you found this video to be interesting, be sure to subscribe as there is a new video every Saturday. At that point, the right main gear lifted off the Things moved very quickly. board. By logging into your account, you agree to our. Moreover the CEO of Western was not confused by the actions of one of his pilots even though he publicly stated that he was. We'll just consider it a "personal best" for the airport. This flight departed late in the evening and who knows how long the crew had been on duty or how much rest they had gotten, apparently not much. Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin, Night Photos Les rgles de l'aviation de base dcouragent de longues priodes de dur tirer vers le haut. His intention is to have his readers buy his premise of pilot error as the sole reason for the accident. The violent crashing is clearly heard. Pictures of great freighter aircraft, Government Aircraft As the closed, wrong Runway where the DC-10 crashed was the closest to the street (where the passengers arrive to the Benito Juarez International Airport) as the one under repair, the correct one where the flight had to land was probably Runway 23L, this can be confirmed as the many photos of the remains of the airplane, mainly the gas turbine sitting on the pavement is shown close to the street, thus the WRONG (Closed) runway has to be 23R. NASA setting the pace, maybe there is hope for a change on But then, with fog-banks etc giving them problems, visual contact was with 23L but not 23R; they reckoned they had slightly overdone the lateral separation and moved left to correct it, and so lined up with 23L . 2012-06-29, 13:43. I've compiled some thoughts that I've placed under yours that I've read from reports of the accidents, both FAA and ICAO. We thank you for your support and hope you'll join the largest aviation community on the web. This behaviour was a contributing cause of the accident, but is completely ignored in the article. Western Airlines Flight 2605 Crash With CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder). give him a different crew if he would fly this one last flight From Appendix F Aeronautical Decision Making Cockpit Resource Management: "The right main landing gear was severed and, as it swung aft, it and the destroyed truck wreckage impacted the right inboard flap and aileron which was carried away. Western Airlines Flight 2605 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles to Mexico City. on this tragedy: I think there's a CVR on Airdisaster.com. Aircraft flying government officials, Helicopters I have read nothing that suggests there was a disagreement in the cockpit as they prepared for landing. Reichel was described as tired or unfit and he said so at one point in the cockpit. "ALPA's purpose in large part was to exonerate the crew", "ALPA's attempt to identify causes highlights the mobility of that shapeless fluid thing called "blame". Flying Magazine discredits the ALPA report. This penetration came in contact with the erasure circuit sending a momentary electrical impulse to the bulk eraser, causing a wedge- shaped segment of the tape to be erased.". The concern was that both the deal and tourism would be negatively impacted if Mexico took most of the blame for the deadly accident. Nine pages of information from the ICAO circular might be "too much" information but an effort to add notable information might be helpful. Presumably the "Flying Magazine" article abridged content from 'official' reports and other sources. "I saw a witch, a werewolf and a goblin" - Valenciana describing what he saw after climbing out of the mangled wreckage of a DC-10 in 1979. Airliners.net is the leading community for discovering and sharing high-quality aviation photography. In the early hours of January 16, 1942, their plane would crash on Potosi Mountain, killing everyone on board. Aircraft type McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10Operator Western AirlinesRegistration N903WAFlight origin Los Angeles Int'l AirportLos Angeles, California, United St. This is not a touchdown this is the aircraft being destroyed. instrument letdown to a closed runway and a difficult tran The event is the third-deadliest aviation accident to occur on Mexican soil after the crashes of two Boeing 727s: the 1969 crash of Mexicana de Aviacin Flight 704 and Mexicana de Aviacin Flight 940 in 1986. Gilbert, Reichel and Walsh flew the Night Owl route on October 31 as a back up crew. What time is it in Saint-Ismier? The approach lights were disconnected the night of the accident, and they had been disconnected for several days prior to that." 28 CAPTAIN A.O.D. Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe, Classic Airliners - paragraph amended at 00:00, 31 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.120.182.80, He has expressed considerable accusatory disdain for the Mexican authorities and their airport and believes that their share of blame for the disaster has never been properly acknowledged. Crew fatigue is believe to have been a contributing cause. Apparently the official transcript is not quite correct so I'll put my interpretation in the captions. Western Airlines Flight 2605 Crash With CVR (Cockpit Voice Recorder). [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR Recording October 31, 1979, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnWwyVT-nEA. The CVR recording has a violent crashing sound which could be the initial collision with the dump truck and immediately following this is pilot Charles Gilbert's exclamation of "Jesus Christ" and a complete change of intensity in the cockpit. It should be mentioned (perhaps in the main article) that if 2605 had somehow landed "properly" on the "wrong" runway 23L, the accident probably wouldn't have happened. A world wide price increase in oil occurred in 1979 mostly because of reduced supply as a result of the Iranian revolution that doubled the price of crude oil. - paragraph split at 01:17, 1 December 2019 (unsigned contribution) by 173.153.15.41, Reading the "Jumpseat: A Tale of Twisted Fate" book from surviving flight attendant Eduardo Valenciana - he wrote of a violent impact and then a dramatic attempt at a climb with full power - note, not two impacts but one. I denoised the CVR so you can hear the voices better. Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin, Night Photos ground and simultaneously struck i dump truck loaded with gravel. crew was fatigued from flying all night, landing at 0542." involved in all four, contributing to two accidents as deter Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin, Night Photos I've compiled some thoughts that I've placed under yours that I've read from reports of the accidents, both FAA and ICAO. (Right?) talked with him just six days before his fatal accident. Western Airlines Flight 2605 was an international scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles to Mexico City. Do we know this is correct? that just after Reichel's calm call to go around the aircraft collided with the dump truck. "There is also the possibility that the ILS signal could have been unstable due Western Airlines Flight 2605 LAX-MEX '79 #10741679. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. I had to read it again to make clear they were to the left of 23L also!! 68 people died in that crash. Pictures of great freighter aircraft, Government Aircraft SquisherDa (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply], And, thinking of sources - do we have the CVR? *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. (WARNING, DISTURBING) Western Airlines Flight 2605 CVR Recording October 31, 1979. Gilbert probably screamed "Oh Jesus Christ.turn left!" The aircraft speed decreased from 136 knots to 128 knots. Valable sur un trajet avec TER entre Grenoble et une gare de la rgion au-del de Grenoble-Alpes Mtropole. On top of all this, the Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries, Airport Overviews It has been said that the crew was in a strong disagreement, and that the pilot continued the landing in spite of first officer strong disagreement. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft, Special Paint Schemes Reichel probably didn't call out altitude, but we do not know this for sure. explain how a 31,500 hour pilot, who liked to fly so much American Eagle flight 4184, an ATR 72 flying from IND to ORD, crashed in Northern Indiana on October 31, 1994, which was 25 years ago yesterday. The CVR has no indication of strong disagreement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpQWYdByNSg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1DlBRS0PiE. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The sound and tone of his exclamation is one of complete shock. All times are GMT. Acheter. Flight 2605's "hydraulic systems" - as far as this contributor is aware - are not discussed in any crash analysis or publication. Most reports I've read seem to state that Pilot Gilbert saw the truck.
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